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		<title>By: Edward Simon</title>
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		<title>By: Edward Simon</title>
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		<description>Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil

1.	John Berendt describes Savannah as inward-turning , a “semitropical terrarium (p. 28).  What effect does this characteristic have on the life of the city and of its inhabitants?  In what ways does Savannah differ from other cities or communities you know?

I would call it “poetic license”.  Savannah is no difference from any other city in Florida.  They still believe they are still member of the royal family.

The book is a Yankee version of To Kill A Mockingbird with shock, or the movie is an imitation of the movie of Gone with the Wind.


2.	Eccentrics thrive in Berendt’s Savannah.  Does this mean that the people of Savannah are unusually tolerant?  In what ways are they tolerant, and in what instances do they prove to be intolerant?  How tolerant are they when it comes to the crossing, racial, or class lines?

They believe the crossing racial lines if you are wealthy as Jim Williams or protégé or honored as Lee Alder.  Then, you can cross any line you please.  Jim Williams could the cross any line as he was lucky and his wealth gave him the privilege to entertain any groups he choose.


3.	Do you think that people would put up with Joe Odum and his countless misdemeanors in a city with a different character from Savannah?  Might he end up in jail if he lived somewhere else?

Joe Odum could live in any city he wished.  He provided too much entertainment to people.  Are you willing to spend $1.00 to collect $0.01 that he owed you?  You collect more food and drinks from his social parties.  He had no standard address so bill collectors could approach on the checks he wrote.  He probable has no utilities to pay.  Other cities have similar problems, too.  

4.	How would you describe Jim William’s character?  Do you find him amusing?  Siniter?  How much sympathy do you have for him?  Reading the book, did you hope for him to be acquitted?  Why, or why not?
Ink 

Jim William knew the characteristic of the Savannah format.  I think he is amusing.  Jim William thinks his luck continue and the accident / murder; but, the others though that William’s luck had abandoned him.  Luck must be continuous, and no gaps must appear.


5.	Some of Jim Williams’ acquaintances think that the Nazi flag episode was insignificant; others do not.  “Nazi symbols are not totally bereft of meaning.”  says one man.  “They still carry a very clear message, even if they’re displayed under the guise of “historic relics’” (p. 178).  Do you believe that Williams was being deliberately offensive when here displayed this flag? If so, why?

People must remember that in the 1970s Nazi / Neo-Nazi party existed in Savannah, GA about that time.  It exhibited all the symbols that the Germany Nazi.  The World War II soldiers collected Nazi and Japanese equipment.  So, there was Nazi equipment floating around in Savannah, GA.  Jim Williams simply caught on to the collection.  As to the Jews, they knew how they could trust and how they could not.  


6.	There was a tacit acceptance in Savannah of Jim Williams’ homosexuality before the murder.  How would you describe the shift in climate after the murder?  Were people really surprised to hear about Willams’s sexual practices?  How did they adjust their attitude?

No, rumors had it that he never invited female on a romantic case.  Also, he was not married, never been married, and did not have a female romantically.  Do not be surprised if certain social parties kept track of Jim Williams social life.  Do not be surprised if certain people tried to have him connected with certain females.


7.	After everything you have heard about Lee Alder, do you go along with the general opinion people have of him in Savannah?  Do you think that the reservations so many people hold about him spring from the fact that he is Jewish?  Would his actions and behavior be more good-humoredly accepted if he did not happen to be Jewish?

The Jewish community goes back as to the colonial days.  They maintained their own community structure.  Where the synagogue was located; the Jewish community was nearby.  So, they would be within walking distance.


8.	Do you think that Danny’s actions and violent scenes indicate that he was following a suicidal course?  What were his real feelings towards Jim Williams?  What was he trying to get out of him?

Danny felt that he had a certain control over Williams.  But, he learned that over was not as strong as he thought.  Danny reminds people of an over-grown child with the ability to control some of his personal functions, i.e., his car.  His girlfriend had little more control over him which would into aggressive behavior.  


9.	Is Chablis as frivolous a person as she likes to present herself as being?  What does her argument with Burt at the nightclub tell you about her character?

Do not talk about the death, and be very cautious about the living.


10.	Talking about the Oglethorpe Club types, Jim Williams says, “When people like that see somebody like me, who’s never joined their silly pecking order and who’s taken great risks and succeed, they loathe that person.  I have felt it many times” (p. 237).  Do you think that Williams is correct?

I have heard that the “peck order” is very important.  It will define your place within the social order.  If you are not a member than you do not exit.  The Oglethorpe Club was the most important club to be a member.  The first floor / basement are the kitchen where meals were prepared.  The second floor was the dining room where the family meals were consumed.  If you consumed too much alcohol, then you would elect the third floor option and sleep off the night before.  Some would invite their lady friends or sleep the night if their wives threw them out in a domestic discussion.

Domestic violence determined if you have met the social goals.  If the police visited you in their uniform and black-and-white squad car, you were low on the social ladder.  If they visited you in Sunday-go-to-meeting suit and tie and in an unmarked squad car, you had made it. 

I do not know now; but, you could be an outstanding member of society and have a complete library of adult materials declared as “pornography” by the State of a Georgia. 


11.	Black and white people’s lives  “are more intermingled here in New York,”  Berendt has said (USA Today 4/15/94).  “I love the banter back and forth among whites and blacks.  They don’t mix socially that much, but there’s a civility that’s remarkable”  (The Washington Post).  Do you find that relations between the races in the Savannah that Berendt describe are healthier, or less healthy, than in other parts of America?  What might the high black crime rate indicate about the city?


12.	What does the black debutante ball tell you about the black community -- or at least that part of the black community -- in Savannah?  Why is Chablis so scornful of the ball and the people there?  Do you sympathize with her feelings?

A more false representative of Black community as a whole then Lady Chablis was.

You have to understand that Black people have trouble with people who have white brains inside of Black body.


13.	At the St. Patrick’s Day parade, the narrator observes that the wagon following 977the Confederate marchers contained “a blue-clad Union soldier sprawled motionless on the floor of the wagon.  It was a chilling tableau, the more so because it was meant to be surreptitious “ (p. 257).  What does this say about the attitudes in Savannah?  Does the scene indicate that the passion mused by the Civil War are still alive there?  Why did the marchers keep the tableau surreptitious?

The South has not surrendered; but, the North did.  To live in Savannah, GA, is to believe from the Southerners view.  The Appomattox Court House affair does not represent surrender by the South; but, a rest period so both side can re-organize and re-supple each side.  


14.	Williams’s behalf?  Do serves he imply that it is of any value?  How would you describe Minerva?  Is she that sort of person you would expect to be practicing voodoo?

Minerva represent to spiritual believe of certain groups both black and white.  Both groups have their spiritual guide.  Most blacks, it is Minvera; for whites, it could be someone like Syvia Browne.  They believe different ideas.


15.	After the trial, Minerva says “I saw it all:  The boy fussed at him that night.  Mr. Jim got angry and shot him.  He lied to me, and he lied to the court”  (p. 380).  Do you concur with Minerva’s scenario?


16	How would you describe Savannah’s feelings to other tradition and to the past?  Are these feelings characteristic of the South in general?  How do they differ from those in other parts of the country?

They believe in the same traditions across the state and pretty much across the nation.  As long as it represents tradition, it is the same.


17.	One reader from Georgia has said of Berendt, “I think he captured what it is to be Southern.  He captured the not-talked-about way of life?”  (USA Today 4/15/94).  If this is true, what would you say it is to be Southern?  What does the South Berendt describes represent?  Does it differ from sterotypes about the South?

I think Mr. Berendt approach the subject with tongue-in-cheek.  He did not want to offend the Savannah locals; but, he did not meet that success.  After “the book’s released, it was all ready banded by certain parties.  The reason the tour guide did not refer to Jim Williams referred to in the book and much later.  You must follow the idea Savannahians believe it.  Certain people keep track of other people.  They operate the District Attorney’s office and the police department to control other.  They use the police to keep people they are questionable.  Whether the people are homosexual or someone who will replace the existing power structure.  I had problems with studying for college so I ask a female to help me.  She did and provide some school lunch meals as a form of exchange.  I did not was that the vice squad had a file on her.  When attend public school, you showed up for all your classes, answered the questions that sounded close, and the teachers were in a kind mood, you make a passing grade.  College was not the same way.  If you do not know the subject; you fail.  The police tried to get to me and her.  But, I found out through other sources, they were questioning my employers, family, and friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil</p>
<p>1.	John Berendt describes Savannah as inward-turning , a “semitropical terrarium (p. 28).  What effect does this characteristic have on the life of the city and of its inhabitants?  In what ways does Savannah differ from other cities or communities you know?</p>
<p>I would call it “poetic license”.  Savannah is no difference from any other city in Florida.  They still believe they are still member of the royal family.</p>
<p>The book is a Yankee version of To Kill A Mockingbird with shock, or the movie is an imitation of the movie of Gone with the Wind.</p>
<p>2.	Eccentrics thrive in Berendt’s Savannah.  Does this mean that the people of Savannah are unusually tolerant?  In what ways are they tolerant, and in what instances do they prove to be intolerant?  How tolerant are they when it comes to the crossing, racial, or class lines?</p>
<p>They believe the crossing racial lines if you are wealthy as Jim Williams or protégé or honored as Lee Alder.  Then, you can cross any line you please.  Jim Williams could the cross any line as he was lucky and his wealth gave him the privilege to entertain any groups he choose.</p>
<p>3.	Do you think that people would put up with Joe Odum and his countless misdemeanors in a city with a different character from Savannah?  Might he end up in jail if he lived somewhere else?</p>
<p>Joe Odum could live in any city he wished.  He provided too much entertainment to people.  Are you willing to spend $1.00 to collect $0.01 that he owed you?  You collect more food and drinks from his social parties.  He had no standard address so bill collectors could approach on the checks he wrote.  He probable has no utilities to pay.  Other cities have similar problems, too.  </p>
<p>4.	How would you describe Jim William’s character?  Do you find him amusing?  Siniter?  How much sympathy do you have for him?  Reading the book, did you hope for him to be acquitted?  Why, or why not?<br />
Ink </p>
<p>Jim William knew the characteristic of the Savannah format.  I think he is amusing.  Jim William thinks his luck continue and the accident / murder; but, the others though that William’s luck had abandoned him.  Luck must be continuous, and no gaps must appear.</p>
<p>5.	Some of Jim Williams’ acquaintances think that the Nazi flag episode was insignificant; others do not.  “Nazi symbols are not totally bereft of meaning.”  says one man.  “They still carry a very clear message, even if they’re displayed under the guise of “historic relics’” (p. 178).  Do you believe that Williams was being deliberately offensive when here displayed this flag? If so, why?</p>
<p>People must remember that in the 1970s Nazi / Neo-Nazi party existed in Savannah, GA about that time.  It exhibited all the symbols that the Germany Nazi.  The World War II soldiers collected Nazi and Japanese equipment.  So, there was Nazi equipment floating around in Savannah, GA.  Jim Williams simply caught on to the collection.  As to the Jews, they knew how they could trust and how they could not.  </p>
<p>6.	There was a tacit acceptance in Savannah of Jim Williams’ homosexuality before the murder.  How would you describe the shift in climate after the murder?  Were people really surprised to hear about Willams’s sexual practices?  How did they adjust their attitude?</p>
<p>No, rumors had it that he never invited female on a romantic case.  Also, he was not married, never been married, and did not have a female romantically.  Do not be surprised if certain social parties kept track of Jim Williams social life.  Do not be surprised if certain people tried to have him connected with certain females.</p>
<p>7.	After everything you have heard about Lee Alder, do you go along with the general opinion people have of him in Savannah?  Do you think that the reservations so many people hold about him spring from the fact that he is Jewish?  Would his actions and behavior be more good-humoredly accepted if he did not happen to be Jewish?</p>
<p>The Jewish community goes back as to the colonial days.  They maintained their own community structure.  Where the synagogue was located; the Jewish community was nearby.  So, they would be within walking distance.</p>
<p>8.	Do you think that Danny’s actions and violent scenes indicate that he was following a suicidal course?  What were his real feelings towards Jim Williams?  What was he trying to get out of him?</p>
<p>Danny felt that he had a certain control over Williams.  But, he learned that over was not as strong as he thought.  Danny reminds people of an over-grown child with the ability to control some of his personal functions, i.e., his car.  His girlfriend had little more control over him which would into aggressive behavior.  </p>
<p>9.	Is Chablis as frivolous a person as she likes to present herself as being?  What does her argument with Burt at the nightclub tell you about her character?</p>
<p>Do not talk about the death, and be very cautious about the living.</p>
<p>10.	Talking about the Oglethorpe Club types, Jim Williams says, “When people like that see somebody like me, who’s never joined their silly pecking order and who’s taken great risks and succeed, they loathe that person.  I have felt it many times” (p. 237).  Do you think that Williams is correct?</p>
<p>I have heard that the “peck order” is very important.  It will define your place within the social order.  If you are not a member than you do not exit.  The Oglethorpe Club was the most important club to be a member.  The first floor / basement are the kitchen where meals were prepared.  The second floor was the dining room where the family meals were consumed.  If you consumed too much alcohol, then you would elect the third floor option and sleep off the night before.  Some would invite their lady friends or sleep the night if their wives threw them out in a domestic discussion.</p>
<p>Domestic violence determined if you have met the social goals.  If the police visited you in their uniform and black-and-white squad car, you were low on the social ladder.  If they visited you in Sunday-go-to-meeting suit and tie and in an unmarked squad car, you had made it. </p>
<p>I do not know now; but, you could be an outstanding member of society and have a complete library of adult materials declared as “pornography” by the State of a Georgia. </p>
<p>11.	Black and white people’s lives  “are more intermingled here in New York,”  Berendt has said (USA Today 4/15/94).  “I love the banter back and forth among whites and blacks.  They don’t mix socially that much, but there’s a civility that’s remarkable”  (The Washington Post).  Do you find that relations between the races in the Savannah that Berendt describe are healthier, or less healthy, than in other parts of America?  What might the high black crime rate indicate about the city?</p>
<p>12.	What does the black debutante ball tell you about the black community &#8212; or at least that part of the black community &#8212; in Savannah?  Why is Chablis so scornful of the ball and the people there?  Do you sympathize with her feelings?</p>
<p>A more false representative of Black community as a whole then Lady Chablis was.</p>
<p>You have to understand that Black people have trouble with people who have white brains inside of Black body.</p>
<p>13.	At the St. Patrick’s Day parade, the narrator observes that the wagon following 977the Confederate marchers contained “a blue-clad Union soldier sprawled motionless on the floor of the wagon.  It was a chilling tableau, the more so because it was meant to be surreptitious “ (p. 257).  What does this say about the attitudes in Savannah?  Does the scene indicate that the passion mused by the Civil War are still alive there?  Why did the marchers keep the tableau surreptitious?</p>
<p>The South has not surrendered; but, the North did.  To live in Savannah, GA, is to believe from the Southerners view.  The Appomattox Court House affair does not represent surrender by the South; but, a rest period so both side can re-organize and re-supple each side.  </p>
<p>14.	Williams’s behalf?  Do serves he imply that it is of any value?  How would you describe Minerva?  Is she that sort of person you would expect to be practicing voodoo?</p>
<p>Minerva represent to spiritual believe of certain groups both black and white.  Both groups have their spiritual guide.  Most blacks, it is Minvera; for whites, it could be someone like Syvia Browne.  They believe different ideas.</p>
<p>15.	After the trial, Minerva says “I saw it all:  The boy fussed at him that night.  Mr. Jim got angry and shot him.  He lied to me, and he lied to the court”  (p. 380).  Do you concur with Minerva’s scenario?</p>
<p>16	How would you describe Savannah’s feelings to other tradition and to the past?  Are these feelings characteristic of the South in general?  How do they differ from those in other parts of the country?</p>
<p>They believe in the same traditions across the state and pretty much across the nation.  As long as it represents tradition, it is the same.</p>
<p>17.	One reader from Georgia has said of Berendt, “I think he captured what it is to be Southern.  He captured the not-talked-about way of life?”  (USA Today 4/15/94).  If this is true, what would you say it is to be Southern?  What does the South Berendt describes represent?  Does it differ from sterotypes about the South?</p>
<p>I think Mr. Berendt approach the subject with tongue-in-cheek.  He did not want to offend the Savannah locals; but, he did not meet that success.  After “the book’s released, it was all ready banded by certain parties.  The reason the tour guide did not refer to Jim Williams referred to in the book and much later.  You must follow the idea Savannahians believe it.  Certain people keep track of other people.  They operate the District Attorney’s office and the police department to control other.  They use the police to keep people they are questionable.  Whether the people are homosexual or someone who will replace the existing power structure.  I had problems with studying for college so I ask a female to help me.  She did and provide some school lunch meals as a form of exchange.  I did not was that the vice squad had a file on her.  When attend public school, you showed up for all your classes, answered the questions that sounded close, and the teachers were in a kind mood, you make a passing grade.  College was not the same way.  If you do not know the subject; you fail.  The police tried to get to me and her.  But, I found out through other sources, they were questioning my employers, family, and friends.</p>
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